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Posted by limewirelord
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http://www.konami.jp/bemani/ddr/na/am/sn2/secret/index.html

Unlock code wins :O

Edit: ******... I didn't see this in the SN2 thread -_-

 
Posted by LHoT10820
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OHSHI! A WHOLE TWO SONGS AND TWO COURSES! THAT'S SO MUCH! IT MIND AS WELL BE A NEW RELEASE! I'm sorry but honestly. The whole e-Amuse situation is really getting ridiculous, and I could care less about e-Amuse.


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Posted by AJmix
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The importance of this news isn't about the two songs, the importance of this news is that, to the contrary of our beliefs, non-eAmuse machines can unlock songs, period. We thought non-eAmuse machines would get no unlocks, ever. Besides, even if you did have an eAmuse machine, that's all you're going to get right now (well, and Fire).

And think of it this way, this pretty much proves that there is a code that unlocks everything.

By the way, if you could care less, that means you can care some. Maybe "you couldn't care less", perhaps?

 
Posted by Snapps
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LOL KONAMI

THEY KNEW BETSON WOULD SCREW UP

 
Posted by Catastrophe
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I told people that, no matter what, Konami would not let the machines stay locked. SN1 had 4 bosses that were hidden, but you could still technically play them. (Like the oni remixes in MAX2. Those weren't locked.)

SN2 however obviously has songs that you cannot access no matter what. And that makes it different than SN1. People tried telling me that SN1 didn't get unlocks, therefore SN2 won't, and Konami is ignoring us, etc.

I'm grinning all the way from 1P left to 2P right, just like that unlock code. :) 

 
Posted by TGLMaxX
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A system where you can play every song, but are forced to meet certain requirements to do so, should never be considered a system where the songs aren't "locked". They're still locked in the sense that if you don't meet those certain requirements, you're not playing them, period.

People who couldn't pass HDV (im picking the easiest of the ES stages) couldn't play Chaos, ever, it was locked completely for them. For this reason, the notion of these songs not being "locked", imo, is false.

If I wanted to play Chaos, I was forced to play on medium difficulty because I can't consistently pass FELM or FAXX on ES settings. This robbed me of half the playable songlist because I wanted access to two songs, HDV, and Chaos.

I should be able to play any song I want on the "all music" section, not be forced to choose from half the songlist because I want to play two perticular songs. So the songs were still effectively locked from the general public, just reachable.

SN1 did essentially have no unlocks for this reason, you're just looking at it from too literal a sense, I think.

Oh, I forgot to mention. Screw eAmuse now, I don't care. Unlock the game for me and I'm happy. I never cared about ep3n15-lengthening ranking systems and levels anyway, I just wanted to play the **** game without having half the songs missing.

Bring it on, nobody in my area is buying eAmuse anyway because it's too freaking expensive, and I always thought it'd fail in North America anyway, I just wanted to play the full game. Just don't take like a month to release a single code.

 
Posted by JJKwithDDR
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I'm very happy to see that no matter what, SuperNOVA 2 machines will be able to see unlockable content.  I'm still interested in seeing e-AMUSEMENT make a widespread splash in America, but at the very least, the most important thing that e-AMUSEMENT brings (unlockable songs) is finally coming for sure.

However, I have to wonder why it took so long to release this code, or at the very least, confirm that unlock codes were programmed into the game.  If we had known from the start that we would see unlock codes at some point, it would have given us a lot of reassurance that one way or the other, we WOULD see the content that we so strongly desired.  Oh well, what's done is done.

 
Posted by moose
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Instead of actually having emause, maybe K-town can release a black box that you plug into your sn/2 machine and fakes eamuse for unlock purposes. It'd probably cost them about 50$ to put together and would put to rest all these complaints, codes or no codes.


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Posted by Snapps
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TGLMaXX's last two "paragraphs" shows exactly what Konami was most likely thinking we would also think.

I'm just surprised you would go to all of the trouble you have done and now you're so easy to give up. 

 
Posted by TGLMaxX
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Snapps:

Up until the news of this unlock system, eAmuse was the only way to unlock the content that we were missing that we were aware of. I was willing to fight for that. Had Konami told us about this unlock system from the beginning, though (why didn't they!?!), you probably wouldn't have even seen me on this forum at all except to complain about the horrible extra stage system they implemented in SN2.

Honestly, a good chunk of people here probably wouldn't have registered if we knew the game was unlockable in this manner, it sure was the main reason for me, anyway.

Most arcades that I know of in my area (and I'm considering a very large area with a ton of arcades) are not some stable corporate chain that's making money hand over fist, they're independantly owned and just trying to get by with what they have. If Konami thinks that they're going to pay $40/mo for a high-speed connection and another $40/mo for the eAmuse service, they're sadly mistaken.

If this isn't the case in your area, then all the more power to them. I just wanted to play the game like it was meant to be played.

I'm not "giving up" on anything. All I wanted was to have the songs unlocked, and eAmuse was the only way of doing so up until yesterday. I have what I wanted now, it was never about eAmuse. Check all of my complaint posts, I always mention the missing songs, never the stupid bookkeeping crap or Zukin Wars.

Now, if for some reason this unlock system doesn't completely unlock the game, you'll see me complain for eAmuse again (if it's still a disaster like it is now) so that I can have the rest of the game be accessible to me. Until then, this is all I wanted.

Also, take a warning with this unlock code. It seems strange to me that it would be released now, when there's so much controversy over eAmuse. They may very well be trying to pacify those that actually want the system, because the system's implementation is further away than we could imagine.

 
Posted by TimeSpaceMage
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If I wanted to play Chaos, I was forced to play on medium difficulty because I can't consistently pass FELM or FAXX on ES settings. This robbed me of half the playable songlist because I wanted access to two songs, HDV, and Chaos.

I should be able to play any song I want on the "all music" section, not be forced to choose from half the songlist because I want to play two perticular songs. So the songs were still effectively locked from the general public, just reachable.

 

I agree, it is a bit limiting trying for HDV/Chaos. I just got HDV onto Player's Best #50 last I was there, and I can only go there about once a month so it's probably not getting to #20 any time soon. On the other hand, I haven't finished playing all of the Medium songs so I'm not frustrated by the smaller songlist yet. Instead of grumbling about not getting to play Max-Me Mix or Respect, I flip through until I find some 5-footer I haven't played and then try adjusting to the pre-patch sync. Then I grumble that I didn't AA it, haha.


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Posted by Terrabull
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Also, take a warning with this unlock code. It seems strange to me that it would be released now, when there's so much controversy over eAmuse. They may very well be trying to pacify those that actually want the system, because the system's implementation is further away than we could imagine.

 

I'm going to assume that you already know the system was already implemented in the US and just ignore that part.

Next I'm going to point you to the history of unlock codes for all previous DDR machines.  Any that had multiple teirs of unlocking were released in staggered sets, just like this. 


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Posted by ranatalus
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It actually kind of makes me sad to see that so many people don't care about e-Amuse and will immediately just go "O LOL W/E I WANT MY SONGS GIMME GIMME"

E-Amuse adds more to the game than just the regular "I'm going to play this song until I AAA it. Ok now I am going to play this song until I AAA it. Ok I am done playing this game."

I like how everyone seems to think they are in some way owed anything.

 
Posted by Rafronova
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E-amuse is the equivalent of battle mode. It just something extra and no one is going to play specifically for the joy of unlocking obscure noteskins that they will never use.


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Posted by ranatalus
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"E-amuse is the equivalent of battle mode. It just something extra and no one is going to play specifically for the joy of unlocking obscure noteskins that they will never use."

So, the 12 of us that drove to Chicago to play e-Amuse for a weekend (and loved it) don't exist? I really don't understand why people seem to care for the unlocks and nothing else. You're right, the fish and bird and foot arrow skins are dumb. What about 0.5x? I like 0.5x. I like doing internet rankings because I enjoy being competitive. I like doing Zukin Wars for the same reason. I LOVE playing battle mode.

It really saddens me to see that most of the "hardcore" community is so focused on just getting scores on songs that they don't bother to enjoy actually playing anymore.

 
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I like doing internet rankings because I enjoy being competitive. I like doing Zukin Wars for the same reason.

It really saddens me to see that most of the "hardcore" community is so focused on just getting scores on songs that they don't bother to enjoy actually playing anymore.

You should be saddening yourself, then.

 
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TGLMaxX: it's just you. Don't act like you represent the hardcore community.

Honestly, a good chunk of people here probably wouldn't have registered if we knew the game was unlockable in this manner, it sure was the main reason for me, anyway.

I didn't register here for e-amuse. (More like the random v-rare lottery.) I would like e-amuse, and I've told Konami that. But I registered here more to "do the Bemani community thing" and less to lobby Konami for stuff. I think more forum members are in my boat, even if we still want Konami to do things. 

The difference bewteen you and the rest of the community is that you view the songs as entitlements, but really the locked contents are more like accomplishments.

Gawkers: "Look! Look! He's playing Paranoia Hades!"
Heavy DDR Players: "Man, I wish I could play tens like that, but I don't practice enough." 
Good DDR Players: "ARGH! I got halfway through it this time!"
Retired DDR Players: "I'll play it later/at home/never. And that song sucks in IIDX." 
Elete DDR Players: "I can reliably get to stage 4 of Boss Rush XVIII." 
Arcade Operators: "I hope these unlocks keep arriving two at a time. I need people to come back."
Casual Players: "OMG! New jun song! That's liek Terra!" (intentional) or "Have you seen the new unlocks?"
TGLMaxX (and just you): "I need all of these songs on the songwheel ASAP." 

Arguably, all of those people are hardcore, including the casual people (they need a new label), except the gawkers. And you sound like none of them. So I don't appreciate your posts saying that "we" are fed up with e-amuse/sync/unlocks/bad sensors/the weather/every third poster.

 
Posted by ranatalus
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"You should be saddening yourself, then."

Part of the fun of playing to me is competition. I like being competitive, I am a competitive person. That doesn't detract from the fun I have just in playing, it adds to it.

 
Posted by TGLMaxX
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So does having more songs.

I honestly don't see how you could've equated people wanting more playable songs to people wanting to scorewhore, they don't always go hand-in-hand.

I just want the songs because THEY'RE MISSING. We have a half-assed release on our hands that gets stale after about 10 plays because you've offically played every song in the game by that point.

Catastrophe: fair enough. Though I'm speaking as a player within a community (greater toronto area) where almost everyone shares the same views on this e-amuse/unlock stuff.

 
Posted by LHoT10820
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Okay, as all of you know, I've been the devil's advocate on this forum. I feel that we SHOULD have e-amuse, I don't care for the unlocks, they're all **** easy anyways. (although Hades is actually fun) But I do think that we should have an internet ranking system, not like 2nd mixes, one with real time stats, who's on top, a rival list/friend list, a way to issue challenges. It's what arcades NEED to stay alive.

 

P.S. I can play all of the unlocks already anyways with the handy r21 feature. If you're complaining about not having the songs, go die. If you're complaining about the lack of the community, go on. Your rants are appreciated.


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Posted by ranatalus
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"So does having more songs.

I honestly don't see how you could've equated people wanting more playable songs to people wanting to scorewhore, they don't always go hand-in-hand.

I just want the songs because THEY'RE MISSING. We have a half-assed release on our hands that gets stale after about 10 plays because you've offically played every song in the game by that point.

Catastrophe: fair enough. Though I'm speaking as a player within a community (greater toronto area) where almost everyone shares the same views on this e-amuse/unlock stuff."

Most of the people that I have talked to that want the songs and don't care about e-amuse are focused just on getting good scores. It isn't an inherently good or bad thing, that's just how it is. Pretty much every "serious" player I've talked to that has said "Screw e-Amuse, I just want everything unlocked" has been this way. Most of them also only seem to enjoy playing when they get new scores. I suppose it was unfair of me to make such a blanket statement, but in my experience that is how they have been. Not trying to be drama-causing here, but your comment of "[it] gets stale after about 10 plays because you've officially played every song" doesn't lead me to think anything differently about you.

Also, while I personally am pretty irritated that it is going to be mid November before everything is unlocked on the US e-Amuse network (assuming we have the same unlock schedule) try to be somewhat optimistic in the fact that we ARE getting them when we had nothing to indicate otherwise for the first like, 2 months that SN2 US was out.

 
Posted by TGLMaxX
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I fail to see where the optimism should stem from unless you're within a close proximity to a Brunswick location with an SN2 machine that's e-amuse enabled (triple longshot!), since they for some reason aquired what seems to be exclusivity rights for the time being with no plan to expand beyond them indicated at any point.

 

I am one of those serious players who just wants more songs for the sake of variety, for the record. So chock me up on that empty side of the chalkboard.

Saying that you essentially play all the new content within 10 games isn't an indicator of wanting to scorewhore, it's literally what I said. I've experienced everything a new DDR has to offer within 10 games. Nowhere did I mention anything about score.

If I had said "in 10 plays you've essentially AA/AAAd all of the new content", then sure. I just don't want to be struggling to find a fresh flavour of song to play that I didn't already cover in my last 5-10 games. The fact that I prefer to keep songs fresh by not whoring them and choosing as many different songs as I can should be an indicator that I'm not in it for score. Were I, I'd be whoring out single songs until I AAA them.

 
Posted by ranatalus
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I don't understand how you can play a song once and not feel a need to play it again at any point, but that's just me I suppose.

I am "close" to the BZN in chicago if you consider a 6-7 hour drive close.

I do know from speaking to Ryan that there are plans to expand e-Amuse beyond this location; they're encountering some problems with doing so in a way that makes it financially sound for arcade operators to buy into, but they are doing what they can.

Beyond that I think we're both looking too deep into what the other is saying and trying to find things to argue about, haha